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Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008, at 11:46 AM

I just reviewed the trailer of the new Ben Stein movie "Expelled" and I can't wait to see it. Unfortunately its not yet showing here, but you can catch it in Union City. From all the commotion it's causing on the media talk shows it must be a hoot. From the reviews it appears the movie is a documentary on Intelligent Design vs. Darwinian Evolution and the political incorrectness of discussing God in the college classroom. What a crock! Not the movie, but the notion that evolution and religion are somehow incompatible. This popular misconception is championed by both sides of the argument, the religious right and the atheistic scientists. And both sides have got it WRONG!

First, science can neither prove or disprove the existence of God. He (She) is supernatural. That means "above the laws of nature."

Second, religions (at least the majority of them) are "faith based." And as such cannot be used to dispute the laws of nature.

The idea that the two disciplines cannot coexist is absurd, counterfeit logic. The fact that "intelligent life" ever evolved on our planet is miraculous, but then again, after listening to the arguments from both sides on this issue, maybe the miracle is yet to happen.

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its ironic how a lot of these scientists will dedicate their entire lives to studying physical creations but yet they refuse to acknowledge the existence of the creator itself

-- Posted by jeramy on Thu, Jul 10, 2008, at 11:17 PM

The reason some scientists do not believe the existence of a god is because their life is dedicated to proving things to be true, not disproving things. To some people, the burden of proof lies with the believer. Many people believe in a number of supernatural beings and can not under any circumstances prove they exist.

Personally I like to deal with the things that can be proven and do not like to waste the limited amount of living time I have on things that have no scientific foundation. Arguing with nutjobs about god, ghosts, and bigfoot included. Some people need that crutch in their life and if that's the case, I'm not going to be the one to kick it out from under them.

-- Posted by jonboon on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 12:12 PM

jonboon,,,,,, you sound like you have read a lot of Ayn Rand.............. I read all of her novels and many of her essays........... her arrogance and disdain for "inferior" beings was dispicable......... Her dismissal of the transcendental in human existence was a major flaw in Objectivist philosophy..... She died a lonely miserable, cynical death......... after causing much pain to her personal family and friends because of her self-centered selfishness which she glorified....... She left Eddie Willers out in the desert......................

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Sat, Jul 12, 2008, at 12:47 AM

Good job ,,,,,,,,,,, KJ

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Sat, Jul 12, 2008, at 12:52 AM

Actually muscadine, i have never read rands work, but i know of it. my attitude comes from merely existing :)

-- Posted by jonboon on Sun, Jul 13, 2008, at 11:55 PM

This so called God is sickly perverted. It supposedly lives high in the clouds or another world watching every move we make, and when I mean every move I mean from murder to child molesting, and to top it all off it has us all believe that we are sinners even the ones born without sight, hearing, and limbs. And if you really want to get deep lets talk about burning his CHILDREN in a fiery hell for eternity and then saying it loves us. A person can be the most, loving, honest, and giving person in the world but if he doesn't aspect the lord in his heart he's hell bound. If I had a pet in a box I would do everything in my power to care for it, so if you think about the earth being a box and God is us then someone needs to call animal precinct.

-- Posted by The thinker on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 10:48 PM

Thinker,,,,,,,,, you're talking about the Christian "God"............. to me "God" is the life force present in all living things from the simplest amoeba and paramecium to the most complex creation of "God": the human brain........ Human consciousness and the characterisics of all life,,,,,,, whose sole reason for being is to "live" can not be explained simply by synapses firing in nerve cells and mapping dna............. the force behind all this complex life I choose to call "God"..... All human cultures and civilizations have been either monotheistic or polytheistic....... but they have all been in awe of that strong will to live and reproduce which they did not understand and called "God"............. The calming aspects of spirituality are a positive aspect in my life........ I am what Mark Twain called a Free Thinker and I have made peace with my "God"........... Psychologists say that our concepts of God are based on authority figures which we encounter in our immediate post-infancy years........... My concept of God is based on my biological father........ He wasn't perfect,, but he was a very good man, who worked hard to raise his five children........ and he must have done something right because his five children now ranging in age from 52 to 67 revere his memory............ The greatest thinker of the twentieth century, Albert Einstein, was not an atheist..... he believed that there was harmony in the universe,,,,,,,,,,,,, I have never met or heard of a happy atheist......... Most are miserable because they are unable to cope with the thought that they are not the center of the universe................. Maybe someone will read my ramblin' thoughts...... thinker, say something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Tue, Jul 15, 2008, at 8:48 PM

i think you really have to open your mind and figure it out for yourself... forget everything you think you know about religion and think for yourself. you don't want to be an atheist blinded by science, but at the same time you shouldn't become a christian, muslim, or jew if you don't agree with their beliefs. if you force yourself to believe in something that you truly don't agree with you're more likely to find insanity than enlightenment

-- Posted by jeramy on Tue, Jul 15, 2008, at 10:38 PM

I'm atheist and I'm perfectly happy. So you've at least heard of one.

-- Posted by jonboon on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 12:58 AM

"Faith is believing something you know ain't true."

"If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be -- a Christian."

"It (the Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies."

"A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows."

"Our Bible reveals to us the character of our god with minute and remorseless exactness... It is perhaps the most damnatory biography that exists in print anywhere. It makes Nero an angel of light by contrast."

"I cannot see how a man of any large degree of humorous perception can ever be religious -- unless he purposely shut the eyes of his mind & keep them shut by force."

"If there is a God, he is a malign thug."

"'In God We Trust.' I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true."

"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."

"Man is a marvelous curiosity . . . he thinks he is the Creator's pet . . . he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea." [Letters from the Earth]

Mr. Clemens was once asked whether he feared death. He said that he did not, in view of the fact that he had been dead for billions and billions of years before he was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.

- Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist (1835-1910).

-- Posted by jonboon on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 1:05 AM

"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."

"I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."

"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."

-Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist

-- Posted by jonboon on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 1:06 AM

Here is an happy atheist besides myself and that MARK TWAIN and here is a quote and plenty more if you search in Google.

"There is no other life; life itself is only a vision and a dream for nothing exists but space and you. If there was an all-powerful God, he would have made all good, and no bad." Mark Twain in Eruption




Its easy to believe in a god and ignore his perversion when were under our air-conditioned homes watching the war on the tube. Our brains are very complex but it's a fact that our mind is capable of creating fantasy. That imagination helps us in the boring, happy, and the worst of times, and when the worst times are here that creation sets in to create something to stop depression and that's the make-believe god. We make these silly things up to make us feel good and through time it has caused hate between each other because of our differences of beliefs in imagination. There is nothing wrong or depressing about not believing in a god, and my opinion is that it's very relieving to know that life is just what it is. We live to do the best we can and that's good enough for me, but the rest of the world still leans on a higher power to control and make sense of things when the concept of god cant be proved by science. The same science that puts safe food in our belly's and medicine to heal the sick. I think a human is beyond god when he accepts that death is just something natural and it happens to everyone. I don't fear death because I know its coming, I do fear the pain the could come with it because pain just freaking hurts. God is just made up to keep us from committing suicide. At sometime in human evolution of the brain this thought of a creator was created to keep the population from killing our own selves, to have a reason to live and reproduce. The creation got out of hand and look at us now blowing ourselves up because of a belief. Why do some believe in something that we think is all mighty and powerful when the world around us is dying in a bloody massacre? There is no reason anymore to believe in a higher power when we all know that atheist can live a happy life with out it.

-- Posted by The thinker on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 1:49 AM

einstein also said...

"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views."

-- Posted by jeramy on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 2:14 AM

Good Job, Jeramy.........................

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 8:45 AM

It can make einstein angry, but it does not change what he said.

-- Posted by jonboon on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 11:04 AM

no, but it should change your interpretation of it.

-- Posted by jeramy on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 11:51 AM

To The Thinker,,,,,,,,,,, Most human beings do not have the luxury or the wherewithall to sit back and pontificate like us rich, spoiled Americans...... They're too busy fighting for their own survival,,,, putting food on the table and taking care of their families..... Back in my college days in the sixties when I was brainwashed by Ayn Rand and arguing religion with my Dad, he a combat veteran of WWII, said "Believe me son, there are no atheists in foxholes." As I got older and occupied my own figurative foxholes, I realized what he meant.................... Most wars are fought for economic reasons, and territorial reasons, not religious reasons....... sometimes the religion gives them the cohones to fight...............

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 2:00 PM

surely two open minded, freethinking atheists can offer us more than other people's word for word quotes from the exact same website


-- Posted by jeramy on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 2:12 PM

Human beings as territorial animals are constantly in competition...... we compete for food, we as males compete with other males for the right to mate with females, we compete for jobs,,, we compete for social status, we compete in normal conversation to see who has the last word, it is natural to try to dominate another human being.... whether it be your wife, your sibling, or your subordinates at work.......... there is usually a defined pecking order in all socially harmonious groups.......... Groups with a purpose can not achieve their goals if they are constantly infighting for dominance...... That's what's wrong with Congress.......... This natural quest for dominance, if left unchecked and uncontrolled by civilizing moral principles can lead to the Hitler's and Stalin's, and Idi Amin's of this world....... Darfur is a modern day example..............

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 2:27 PM

i don't care to discuss this any further... i honestly could care less what everyone else claims to believe in, its all i can do to keep my own head on straight.

"Unless you people see signs and wonders, you will never believe."

-- Posted by jeramy on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 3:12 PM

It's all I can do to keep my head on straight, also.........Walking with what the atheists call a crutch is a helluva lot better than not walking at all............ I agree with Einstein,,,,,, there is a natural harmony in the universe.............

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 4:31 PM

More wars and death have been caused by religion than any other driving purpose. Not, territory, as you put it.

Why should it change my interpertation of what einstein said? I can say it makes me mad when people quote me to further their own cause but it doesnt change what I said and the fact that I am correct. By pasting the quotes i was pointing out how incorrect muscadine was when he said samuel clemens and einstein were not atheists.

some people need religion in their life because being alone in the universe is a scary thought. And those are the people that need the support of an imaginary overseer to answer questions that science simply havent answered yet.

By the way, jeramy, i never said i was open minded :D

-- Posted by jonboon on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 9:14 PM

Being alone and isolated is the worst condition that human beings can be in........ We had to read Robinson Crusoe, shipwrecked alone on a desert island when I was in the sixth grade............................. we are social animals............... we need the approval, the fellowship, the good will, and the appreciation of our peers. .. John Donne wrote; "No man is an island, entire of itself: every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main......................."

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 11:00 PM

Jonboon, WWII caused 50 million deaths..... what did WWII have to do with religion???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 11:10 PM

My first guess would be Judaism.

-- Posted by jonboon on Thu, Jul 17, 2008, at 9:32 PM

The Jewish people were persecuted by the Nazis because of their economic influence and their ethnic solidarity, not their religion..............

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Thu, Jul 17, 2008, at 11:14 PM

All im saying there is no need for religion. There is no purpose for it. All those Jewish people that prayed for their lives and their childrens lives had been murdered. What was it about 60,000 a week. And today millions of people are being killed in a genocide in Africa and that's not counting the aids that is going around. There are some priest that believe if you have aids you can have sex with a virgin and it will cure it. Religion is a powerful tool that can abuse and even kill people. And I think a person with a gun fighting a war that has nothing to do with religion but still insist to involve his faith into it to justify his way of killing needs some physiological help. Society pushes faith in peoples faces and when a person grows up in a religious environment he is mind blown when he meets someone with a different faith or without. Our children are programed to believe in mythical charters without a choice of their own to pick and chose what to believe. I hate to change the subject but if it wasn't for parents pushing faith into young children minds I think children growing up would be more independent and know that its all up to them and not a guy in the sky to direct them. If there was a society without god people would have real reasons to live and that's for themselves and their family, and to fight as well. Religion has confused us all so much that we blow each other up for it and there is no excuse for it. Everyone should have a choice what to believe but there needs to be more people to point their finger when it gets out of hand.

-- Posted by The thinker on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 1:57 AM

How can humans be as intelligent as they are and be in existence and have no purpose at all for being? If there were no God then a humans life would be nothing more than an attempt to survive until their death. The good will, and the achievements that humans have made would in the end be all for nothing. If there is no God there is absolutely no chance of immortality. If you take away the chance of immortality what would be the purpose of having good morals?

What is the difference between Adolph Hitler and Mother Teresa? They were both humans, both had the same intricacies of the human body. Both were a part of the mysterious thing we call life, and both were a part of making changes to the history of humanity as we know it, but were very much opposed. Each individual has their own inherent ability to decide their own purpose in life. Obviously, both of these individuals motivations were diametrically opposed ;however each individual felt they were doing the right thing.

While not all religions believe in the Christian God, most religions believe in a God or Gods. Most religions believe the way to fulfillment is through good deeds, and the guidance of a higher power and the promise of reaching a better place in the afterlife. If there were no God, why do so many people universally believe in some form or other of God? Can that many people be wrong in believing in a Creator ?

Is it so hard to believe that the universe was made by someone that we can not see, hear or feel ? Many do have trouble standing on faith alone. However, evolutionists are standing on faith alone when they believe that the universe was created from something they can not prove. They are assuming that our universe was created from nothing without any real proof. Human reasoning has concluded that the universe came from nothing and that life came from motionless matter. When you think about everything in the world from the smallest insect to the largest mammal being "accidentally" made, then there were a lot of "lucky accidents" made from nothing.

Just my philosophical two cents worth!

-- Posted by opinionated on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:31 AM

Opinionated........ your opinion is worth considerably more than two cents..............

Scientists can't prove what put every electron in motion orbiting every nucleus in every atom of every molecule of all matter in the universe,,,,,,, tis the height of arrogance to believe that you can "prove" any and everything.......... the greatest mind of the twentieth century, Einstein, was intelligent enough and humble enough to realize that...........................

Many scientists see man as a heroic being, and many theologians see man as a tragic being...... Personally, I see man as a combination of both.............

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:36 PM

The thinker,,,,,,, what makes you think that you are the only independent thinker in the universe.......... You have no monopoly on logic............. No matter how a child is raised,,,,,,,,, many become independent thinkers, and many do not........ we are not all the same......................

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:49 PM

The greatest freedom in the world is the freedom of thought.......... we don't need either "social scientists" or "preachers" telling us how and what to think........ but I'm more afraid of the "social scientists" because many of them are lacking in ethics and have no moral compass to guide them....... the ability to manipulate genes, when it is done by someone who thinks he's God is scary........ I have more faith in the average preacher to do what is right, than I do the average genome manipulator or the average psychologist, Companies are being allowed to patent human genes.......... and psychologists sold out to Madison Avenue shortly after the birth of their profession.................

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 1:08 PM

I apologize for preaching without a license in a public forum. This posting will be my last sermon on this particular subject.

#1, I am a Christian..... I believe that Christianity can be summed up into three short sentences:

God is Love.

Love thy neighbor as thyself.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

If all Christians would focus their energies on these three sentences instead of debating denominational doctrine, they would have a much better chance of achieving their goal of saving the world.

Scientists have given mankind the ability to destroy every living creature on this planet in an allout nuclear war. I sincerely believe that the only hope to avoid eventual all out nuclear war, given the nature of human beings, is to adhere to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 3:08 PM

You are right, majority of religions believe in a god. in fact, that is an underlying principal in a religion, without it, it isnt a religion at all.

And I'd say most people in the world believe in a god or gods. As anecdotal evidence for my argument see Britney Spears. Popular rarely equals good.

-- Posted by jonboon on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 5:31 PM

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 12:56 PM

If all you guys can do is quote Albert Einstein, John Donne, Mark Twain, Ayn Rand,and on and on, then you have missed the only fact that makes sense of our existence, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." I choose to believe Jesus Christ was who he claimed to be.

-- Posted by interestedparty on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 6:16 PM

Is it true that about nine months after a number of sheep abductions and the Roswell UFO crash Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and several other prominent democratic party members were born?

-- Posted by A Citizen on Fri, Jul 25, 2008, at 1:45 PM

Is it true that about nine months after several sheep abductions and the Roswell NM UFO crash that Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and several other prominent democratic party elitists were born?

-- Posted by A Citizen on Fri, Jul 25, 2008, at 1:47 PM

Nobody knows whether there is or is not a god or gods or a creator. Some people like to believe there is; others think there is not. But no one really knows. We may or may not find out the answer to that nagging question someday. While science has enabled us to understand many of the processes on-going in the physical world, we are left with the inigma of how it all began and from what. Depending upon where you stand on the issue, you have two choices: Either live like there's no tomorrow or like there is and you are accountable for your actions. Seems as though I see more people living it up than otherwise these days.

-- Posted by A Citizen on Fri, Jul 25, 2008, at 1:59 PM

One has lost nothing by acknowleding the existance of God, yet how much is at stake if God, as revealed in the Bible is indeed the true and living God, and folks reject His claims?

-- Posted by windjammer1 on Thu, Jul 31, 2008, at 7:26 PM

By accepting the story of christ as true and following the rules of the religion you are losing your freedom of speech, free will and ability to think for yourself.

-- Posted by jonboon on Thu, Jul 31, 2008, at 10:18 PM

I was so glad to read the comments of jonboon and The Thinker on this topic. In this area it is difficult to be open about who you truly are when you don't follow the status quo. To know that there are other intelligent, thinking people in my community gives me hope that one day the oppression of religion can be overcome.

Thank you, jonboon and The Thinker. It is nice to know I am not alone.

-- Posted by AnotherThinker on Thu, Aug 14, 2008, at 12:12 PM

One of the most fascinating facets of human existence is the existence of a magnetic field which is emitted from the brain and nervous systems of individual human beings. Japanese scientists are making extensive studies of these magnetic fields. From extensive personal observation and study, I believe that the magnetic field surrounding one individual nervous system can have an effect on the nervous system of another individual in close proximity. I would be interested in anyone else's thoughts on this particular phenomena.

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Sat, Aug 16, 2008, at 1:41 PM

It has been tested and proven that magnets themselves have no effect on a person or their ailments. While it's true that our body contains electricity it is such a small amount I think it would take an awful lot of energy to affect it. See sticking a fork in a light socket.

-- Posted by jonboon on Sat, Aug 16, 2008, at 5:08 PM

All I'm saying is.."What if God was one of us, just a slob like one of us, Just a stranger on a bus...trying to make his way home?" Also, Mark Twain rules... Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn were great characters!

Also, what if you do believe in God but don't think that the bible is necessarily accurate and truthful due to known text being left out and ancient writings (existing before the bible) contain stories that are direct images of stories spoken of in the bible? Read ancient Roman and Greek text...they speak of the tree of life in a garden and I believe "Homer" ate of the fruit and was scorned by the Gods.

Did everyone also know that Christianity was spawned from Pagonism! I believe that no matter what you believe, you should research and learn of your religion and not just follow blindly into the room that your pastor has painted for you. If you attend a church where your pastor is a complete dictator, how do you know what he preaches is the truth? Take for instance the CJC for short! You can't wear pants or cut your hair. They base this on the bible stating that women should not appear as men. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't everyone in bliblical times wear robes and have long hair? You make of things what you will!

The world is looking for the feeling of belonging so bad that people start their own religions daily. I'm convinced that I could start that Carb religion and tell everyone that the only way to get to heaven is pray 3 times a day, wear spandex and eat 17 Ritz crackers before bedtime and there would be idiots that would believe it! Go figure!

-- Posted by timay76 on Wed, Aug 20, 2008, at 2:20 PM

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Wed, Aug 20, 2008, at 6:19 PM

"pray 3 times a day, wear spandex and eat 17 Ritz crackers before bedtime"

wait... that sounds like hulk hogan's 'demandments' from back in the 80s

-- Posted by jeramy on Thu, Aug 21, 2008, at 10:22 AM


Kinda does don't it! Say your prayers, eat your vitamins, and have just 1/2 a cc of winstrol every day! Look at where that's got him! Maybe I'll just go to church and sing from the hymnal!

-- Posted by timay76 on Fri, Aug 22, 2008, at 9:41 AM

haha, yea its all so temporary

-- Posted by jeramy on Fri, Aug 22, 2008, at 8:16 PM

Enjoy it while it lasts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Fri, Aug 22, 2008, at 11:57 PM

timay76, in retropectice............ a year later after reading all the posts,,,,,,,,, I like your post......................

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, at 12:38 AM

timay76, in retropectice............ a year later after reading all the posts,,,,,,,,, I like your post......................

-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, at 12:43 AM


-- Posted by Johnny Yuma on Sat, Aug 15, 2009, at 8:33 PM

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