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 Hamilton Parks, at left, stands with Bill Foster, past commander of the Sons of Confederate Veterans camp in Union City, near the spot where a massive 'megaflag' will fly atop a lighted 85-foot pole near Trimble. Parks ordered construction of the pavilion behind him to commemorate the location of his great-grandfather's log cabin. The pavilion is designed in the style of Thomas Jefferson's Monticello. Construction of the new 'Parks Cemetery Ridge Memorial Plaza' is scheduled to begin in June. [Click to enlarge] |
Trimble resident Hamilton Parks, a life member of the heritage group Sons of Confederate Veterans, donated a 50-by-50 foot parcel north of where his great-grandfather's log cabin was located, adjacent to Pierce Cemetery.
The "Parks Cemetery Ridge Memorial Plaza" is planned to be a circular sitting area with the focal point an 85-foot pole with a 20-by-30-foot Confederate flag flying overhead. A granite marker on the plaza, one of four from a former Civil War-era theater in Richmond, Va., will include the SCV charge and other inscriptions dedicated to Confederate soldiers.
The project is part of an effort to place the "mega-flags" on prominent locations across the South. The flag will be lighted at night, said Parks.
Bill Foster, past commander of the SCV camp in Union City, is coordinating the plaza and flag work with Parks.
"We hope it will draw some interest from people who want to know more about the Confederacy," said Foster. "It's about heritage. We don't want to give the wrong impression to anyone. This is about true history and heritage."
Parks said 11 Confederate veterans are buried in the nearby cemetery, which make the place ideal for the monument.
Foster said the flag's location, visible from the future I-69 "and halfway between Canada and Mexico," made it suitable for the national SCV organization to contribute to the construction cost.
Two quotes from this thread, with responses:
-- Posted by ukwildcats on Sun, May 11, 2008, at 10:08 AM
"Sadly, the confederate battle flag is not known for nor represents the values of the south. It has become a symbol of hatred and separation. We are to blame for that because we stood by and did nothing to stop the skin heads and all those ignorant red necks from running around in hoods promoting racism. All while carrying the CBF."
This is EXACTLY why the flag should be flying in Trimble, and everywhere else that one can be hoisted. Although they have no right to use the CBF to promote their racist ideals, some hate groups have adopted the battle flag as their own. It is time that we take the Confederate Battle Flag back from these groups and fly it to honor our southern heritage and those of our ancestors that fought for the cause. We should raise not only the CBF, but all the flags of the Confederacy. This is the only way that we can educate the public regarding the TRUE meaning of those flags, and will help us in presenting an accurate historical record of the War Between the States. If you are offended by the Confederate battle Flag, then you desperately need a history lesson. Do your own research, but do it with an open mind. Immerse yourself in American history from the 1850s and 1860s. Compare speeches presented by both sides. Compare dates and positions to what you have been previously led to believe. I am confident that if you apply yourself to the study of this period, you may develop a different point of view.
-- Posted by ukwildcats on Sun, May 11, 2008, at 4:55 PM
"On the back of my car is what I am proud of and what my family fought and died for -- THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. God Bless Her."
And on the back of my car are a Marine Corps emblem (once a Marine, always a Marine) and a Fraternal Order of Police license plate (I am a retired member.) I have spent the majority of my adult life defending the US Constitution and I would remind you that the First Amendment to the Constitution guarantees the right to freedom of speech. The courts have interpreted this right to include the freedom of expression. If I chose to honor my ancestors that fought for the Confederacy by flying a Confederate Battle Flag, you have no right to prevent me from doing so. You do, however, have the right to voice your opinion against my actions, and I will in no way attempt to infringe upon your right to do so.
I am southern by birth, (a native west Tennessean,) but spent the majority of my life in "Yankee-land." I retired from law enforcement in northern Illinois as a Police Commander, holding the civil service rank of Lieutenant. I have ancestors that fought for the Confederacy and ancestors that fought for the Union during the War Between the States. Additionally, I have been a card-carrying member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans since the early 1990s. My membership in this fine heritage organization does not make me a racist or bigot,…quite the contrary. My membership entices me to present a factual history of the war and the reasons that it was fought. My membership entices me to honor the fine men of color that fought bravely for the Confederacy, not in support of slaver, but in support of state's rights and freedom. My membership entices me to defend the honor of my ancestors, poor white farmers that did not own slaves and in fact worked like slaves to carve out their meager existence; who fought not for rich plantation owners but because their home was being invaded by a foreign military force. I swell inside whenever I see a Confederate flag waving in the breeze, because it reminds me of those brave ancestors that fought for what they believed in and were willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to protect their way of life, just like our military of today.
A final comment, off topic from the quotes but related to the thread. I spent approx. 40 years living in the north and I observed much more racism there than I have ever seen in the modern day south. Minorities are both geographically and economically separated from the majority in the northern states. At least is the south, poor is poor no matter what color your skin is.
Deo Vindice
End Discrimination Against the Confederate Flag and the South
http://www.borderfirereport.net/john-w.-lillpop/en...
A Plea For Saving the Union
Whilst President-elect Lincoln and his fanatic Jacobins plotted the overthrow of the Constitution and did nothing to avert the crisis in late 1860, there were those who tried valiantly to save the Union. Though Senator Jefferson Davis laid the crisis at the feet of Congress to find a constitutional remedy, and the Peace Conference chaired by former President Tyler was instituted to find a compromise, no solution was possible with the revolutionary Republicans fixated on war, confiscation of Southern lands, and the subjugation of Southern Americans.
Bernhard Thuersam, Executive Director
Cape Fear Historical Institute
Post Office Box 328
Wilmington, NC 28402
www.CFHI.net
A Plea For Saving the Union:
"Our fathers formed a Government for a Union of friendly States; (that) Union of friendly States has changed its character, and sectional hostility has been substituted for the fraternity in which the Government was founded.
But I call upon all men who have in their hearts a love for the Union, and whose service is not merely of the lip, to look the question calmly but fully in the face...How, then have we to provide a remedy? By strengthening this Government? By instituting physical force to overawe the States, to coerce the people?.....No, sir; I would have this Union severed into thirty-three fragments sooner than have that great evil befall constitutional liberty and representative government.
Our government is an agency of delegated and strictly limited powers. Its Founders did not look to its preservation by force; but the chain they wove to bind these States together was one of love and mutual good offices. The remedy for these (sectional) evils is to be found in the patriotism and affection of the people, if it exists; and if it does not exist, if is far better , instead of attempting to preserve a forced and therefore fruitless Union, that we should peacefully part and each pursue his separate course."
Senator Jefferson Davis, Speech to the US Congress, Congressional Globe, December 10, 1860
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The South is a land that has known sorrows; it is a land that has broken the ashen crust and moistened it with tears; a land scarred and riven by the plowshare of war and billowed with the graves of her dead; but a land of legend, a land of song, a land of hallowed and heroic memories. To that land every drop of my blood, every fiber of my being, every pulsation of my heart, is consecrated forever. I was born of her womb; I was nurtured at her breast; and when my last hour shall come, I pray God that I may be pillowed upon her bosom and rocked to sleep within her tender encircling arms. Edward Carmack
Address to Sons of Veterans
From: Bernhard1848@att.net
Commander Harriss's remarks below are as meaningful today as they were 94 years ago, and serve as a suitable guide to battle the dark forces that consign customs, traditions and constitutional liberty to the fires of modern-day Trotskyism. Harriss was certainly speaking of us when he expected justice to prevail in the writing of history in future times, and a truthful account be taught our children.
Bernhard Thuersam, Executive Director
Cape Fear Historical Institute
Post Office Box 328
Wilmington, NC 28402
www.CFHI.net
Address to Sons of Veterans:
W.W. Harriss, Commander Florida Division, SCV, at the First Reunion, Lakeland. Florida, October 29, 1914.
"Comrades: The purpose of our organization is manifold and far-reaching, but paramount to all else is the perpetuation of the deeds of valor and the protection and preservation of the good name of the Confederate soldier, whose incomparable courage and sacrifice are the amazement of the entire world. Like our Saviour, he gave up all for liberation from oppression and died for those he loved.
The sacredness of the cause for which our soldiers fought has entwined a tie so strong around the hearts of those survivors of the conflict....(and), We are yet too near the time of the war to write absolutely impartial history; but when it shall be written we may safely trust that justice will be done the motives which prompted the Southern men to take up arms and the manner in which they bore themselves in war and defeat.
It is to me one of the unsolvable riddles of human nature that there are those among us who advocate the laying aside of the memories of that period and forgetting the awful aftermath of reconstruction, that we should put aside recollection of our losses, accepting conditions as they are, and press forward to the race which lies before us along the way of material progress. I fear that this sentiment is far too general, that in "the struggle for power and the scramble for wealth" we are apt to become so absorbed that we should neglect the cultivation of those finer qualities which have heretofore been distinguishing characteristics of the Southern people.
Nations and individuals cannot afford to forget those things which in the crucible of life forge character and make men. Have the Irish people lost anything by their almost sacred reverence for the memory of Robert Emmett, though the cause of freedom in Ireland, for which that young patriot gave his life, lacks yet its consummation? Has the French nation lost anything because of its worship of Napoleon, notwithstanding that maker of dynasties and kingdoms died in exile on the lonely island of St. Helena?
No great deed is lost to the world. It requires reverses to round out the character of a people, and it takes misfortune to forge the finest temper of individual character. It is not incompatible with an honest loyalty to a restored Union that we retain a proud memory of that nation "which rose to pure and fell so free of crime." It is not an evidence of ultraconservatism nor a clinging to the idols of the past that we hold in grateful remembrance the heroic actions of the men and women of the past and, by the erection of monuments to them and the preservation of truthful history, defend their names from the oblivion of time and hand down to posterity the untarnished story of their fame. These heroes are our fathers.
Then what is our duty? There is but one answer: to work to accomplish the purposes that our beloved Confederation has as its aim. Every member, as well as officer, has a duty to perform. Wont you agree when you return to your home to have a rally day monthly for the purpose of bringing in new members, getting each member to obligate himself to interest and bring in new members? Try it and see how new blood will enliven your Camp. There are sections of our State rich with eligibles that we have not yet entered. Let's get at it.
Seeking and urging your assistance, cooperation and counsel in the upbuilding of our organization, I bring to you the last message from the immortal General Stephen D. Lee: "To the sons of Confederate veterans we will commit the vindication of the cause for which we fought. To your strength will be given the defense of the Confederate soldier's good name, the guardianship of his history, the emulation of his virtues, the perpetuation of those principles which he loved and which you love also, and those ideals which made him glorious and which you also cherish."
(Address to Sons of Veterans, Confederate Veteran Magazine, December 1914, pp. 362-363)
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Mind you it is his own personal property and lawfully he does have the right. And yes we all have a right to honor our heritage. History would not be history if we did not. That said, then why was it publicized in this newspaper. When you put something out there for the public, expect to get the public reactions.
This has been interesting reading; however, all Mr. Parks wants to do-- on his own property, mind you--is honor Confederate veterans. The Confederate soldiers fought under that flag and it should be used to honor them. It's not as if he's doing it in the North! Even the UDC (who use the Stars & Bars flag) place the Battle Flag on the graves of Confederate veterans. I agree that the War Between the States was a horrible war. Many of us have ancestors who fought on both sides. And, we have the right to honor our heritage!
A Most Interesting Book
HISTORY LESSON FOR TODAY!!
I suggest reading a book by Charles Adams entitled:
Slavery, Secession, and Civil War, Views from the United Kingdom and Europe, 1856 -- 1865, (Scarecrow Press, Inc. Lanham, Maryland, Toronto, Plymouth UK 2007).
Adams, author of "When in the Course of Human Events", compiles several hundred editorials and articles from foreign Newspapers and Periodicals, (mostly English) in an attempt to give the reader some insights into the foreign view of America's "Civil War".
Taking into account that the English, as a rule, were profoundly anti-slavery in their sentiment, it is surprising to see how much sympathy existed for the South in that country. The passage below, taken from an English magazine in 1862, reveals a rather common view of what many Englishmen viewed as the intent behind Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation. Apparently it would seem, much I'm sure to the chagrin of today's Lincoln-worshipping historians, a negative view of the Emancipation is not the sole domain of today's "Neo-Confederates". It would appear that many who were alive at the time, (including, it would seem, many non-Southerners), could smell horse manure as well as we can today.
From "Blackwood's Magazine"
"The Crisis of the American War", November 1862, pp. 636 -646
Page 79 -- The past month has brought us to the veritable crisis of the great civil war in America. Brought to bay upon their own soil, the Federals in desperation have invoked to their aid the unutterable horrors of a servile war. With their armies baffled and beaten, and with the standard of the rebel army again within site of Washington, the President has at length owned the impossibility of success in fair warfare, and seeks to paralyze the victorious armies of the South by letting loose upon their hearths and homes the lust and savagery of four million Negroes. The die is cast. Henceforth it is a war of extermination. The North seeks to make the South a desert -- a wilderness of bloodshed and misery; for thus only, now, does it or can it hope to overcome the seceding Confederacy. Monstrous, reckless, devilish as the project is, we believe it will not succeed. But it at least marks the crisis and turning-point of the war. It shows that the North has shot its last bolt, - the effect of which we do not yet see, but beyond which there is no other. It proves what every one in this country was loath to believe, that rather than let the Southern States be independent, rather than lose their trade and custom, the North would league itself with Beelzebub, and seek the make a hell out of half of the continent. In return, this atrocious act justifies the South in hoisting the black flag, and in proclaiming a war without quarter against the Yankee hosts. And thus, within the bosom of civilization, we are called upon to contemplate a war more full of horrors and wickedness than any which stands recorded in history.
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North, East & West are directions,but SOUTH is a place.
What is "Southern culture?"
"Southern culture is saying 'Yes, sir" and "Yes, ma'am;' it's opening the door for and tipping your hat to a lady; it requires standing your ground even when you know the odds are against you; it's saying 'Hello' to people when you pass them on the street; it is self-sufficiency and being thankful for what you have instead of being bitter about what you don't have; it is saving for what you want and paying in cash; it is living within your means instead of trying to keep up with the Joneses; in short, it is courtesy, modesty, thrift, chivalry, as well as a hundred other currently outmoded concepts."
Proud to be from "DIXIE", What a wonderful "HERITAGE"
More Simple Questions About Which Side Was Right
Note: "RW" stands for Revolutionary War; "CW" stands for Civil War.
1. Which side was willing to let the other side live under a government of its own choosing?
RW: The Americans
CW: The South
2. Which side wanted to force the other side to live under a government that it had made clear it no longer wished to live under?
RW: The British
CW: The North
3. Which side rejected the idea that the people of a state have a natural right to peacefully withdraw their state from the national government?
RW: The British
CW: The North
Useful Quotes:
Thomas Paine:
"Every thing that is right or natural pleads for separation. . . . A government of our own is our natural right." (Common Sense, Philadelphia : W. & T. Bradford, 1776, III:19, 50, emphasis added)
Richard Henry Lee:
"Resolved, That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States, that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved." (Resolution of Richard Henry Lee, Journals of the Continental Congress, June 7, 1776)
Notice the "are, and of right ought to be, free and independent states" assertion. So according to the Continental Congress, the colonies had a right to be free and independent states and were in fact free and independent states. "Are, and of right ought to be. . . ." In short, "the colonies are what they have a right to be, free and independent states."
John Adams strongly agreed with this resolution, and it was later adopted and expanded into what we now know as the Declaration of Independence. The wording of the resolution was included nearly verbatim in the Declaration of Independence:
"That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British crown and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved. . . ." (Declaration of Independence , July 4, 1776)
So our founding fathers said the colonies had a right to be free and independent states and in fact were free and independent states.
4. Which side rejected the idea that a valid, just government does not seek to govern a people who no longer consent to be governed by it, i.e., that a government should only govern with the consent of the governed?
RW: The British
CW: The North
Useful Quote:
The Sons of Liberty of Connecticut adopted a resolution that said the people had the right to reassume the authority they had delegated:
Resolved. 1st. That every form of government rightfully founded, originates from the consent of the people.
2d. That the boundaries set by the people in all constitutions are the only limits within which any officer can lawfully exercise authority.
3d. That whenever those bounds are exceeded, the people have a right to reassume the exercise of that authority which by nature they had before they delegated it to individuals. (Connecticut Resolutions on the Stamp Act, December 10, 1765, emphasis added)
Of course, the British and the North both insisted they believed in government by consent of the governed--they claimed they were merely putting down an unlawful rebellion. But, as the saying goes, "actions speak louder than words." The British, while claiming to believe in government by consent of the governed, rejected the view that the people of America had a natural right to peacefully withdraw their states from the national government, and the North, while likewise claiming it believed in government by consent of the governed, rejected the view that the people of the South had a natural right to withdraw their states from the national government. So, in practice, both the British and the North rejected the idea that the people of a state have a natural right to be independent if they so desire.
And let it be noted that the Americans bitterly resented the fact that the British tried to force them to rejoin the British empire against their will--they believed the British should let them go in peace and respect their right to be independent. They did not believe they should have to fight for their independence.
5. Which side wanted to overthrow the other side's government?
RW: The British
CW: The North
The Americans never wanted to overthrow the British government. They merely wanted to separate from the British government. There were never any American plans to sail to London and overthrow the British government or to take over England . Similarly, the South had no interest in overthrowing the federal government but merely wanted to leave the federal government.
6. Which side viewed as "treason" and "rebellion" the other side's desire to peacefully separate and to be independent?
RW: The British
CW: The North
7. Which side invaded the other side and claimed the invasion was merely the suppression of "rebellion" and "treason"?
RW: The British
CW: The North
8. Which side wanted to live in peace with the other side?
RW: The Americans
CW: The South
9. Which side lived under a government of its own choosing at the time it declared its independence and was forced to fight for its independence because the other side invaded soon thereafter?
RW: The Americans
CW: The South
Many people don't realize that when the Americans issued the Declaration of Independence, there was not a single British soldier in the colonies. The actual war, with large battles and heavy casualties, started when the British sent an invasion force to New York to "suppress the rebellion." Similarly, when the South declared its independence with the formation of the Confederate States of America , the Southern states were living under a government of their own choosing. The actual war, with large battles and heavy casualties, started when the North sent invasion forces into the South to force the South to give up its independence.
10. Which side's army had more mercenaries in it?
RW: The British
CW: The North
11. Which side tried to kill or imprison the other side's political leaders?
RW: The British
CW: The North
Mike Griffith
Civil War website
http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/id163.htm
HISTORY LESSON FOR TODAY:
The Confederate Battle Flag:
A Symbol of Racism?
by Charles Davidson
http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/confederate_flag....
I have just skimmed over some of the posts because they are so long, but here is my two cents.
I'm not a redneck. I've never owned a Confederate battle flag. To most people it stands for racism. This is especially true in this area. Being extremely unracist I don't care to fly one. However, it stands for different things to different people.
Thomas DiLorenzo author of The Real Lincoln said the following: "I'm in Prague this week lecturing at the Prague University of Economics and attending (last weekend) the Prague Conference on Political Economy. My host (Professor Josef Sima) picked me up at the airport and as soon as we got into the city one of the first sights that caught my eye was a large black pickup truck with a Confederate battle flag covering the entire back window. It is most likely a remnant of the successful, peaceful secession of Slovakia from Czechoslovakia in 1993, creating the Czech Republic and Slovakia." - http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/020...
Are we really to believe that Slovakia is populated by rednecks? Is Prague that overrun by Southerners? Or does the Confederate flag stand for something else?
The Real Lincoln is a great book and I recommend it to everyone in this thread.
The war between the states started over the southern states right of secession which was brought about by unreasonably high tariffs. I won't get into all the economics of it but here is the simplified version: High tariffs benefited the northern industrial states and hurt the southern agricultural states. Southern politicians had been wanting lower tariffs long before 1860. Southerners viewed Lincoln as the worst thing that could happen to the South, not because of slavery, but because of tariffs. They saw it within their rights to secede from the U.S.A. just as the 13 colonies had seceded from Great Britain.
Secession was not a new concept invented by the South. Long before the war between the states, New England Federalists were unhappy with Southern, Jeffersonian influences and threatened to secede. Secession was the principle of the American Revolution. James Madison, the father of the Constitution, acknowledged that the sovereignty lay with the states (Federalist Papers #39). Just as all the states decided to secede from the Articles of Confederation in 1788, the Southern states decided to secede from the Constitution.
As far as Lincoln freeing the slaves… The Gettysburg Address didn't free any slaves at all. Lincoln was a white supremacist.
"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so. I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and the black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, … I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position." - Abraham Lincoln, First Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Ottawa, Illinois, August 21, 1858 (excerpt)
http://mason.gmu.edu/~zschrag/hist120spring05/linc...
The end of slavery was the only good thing to come out of the war. But it could have been done peacefully without all the deaths and at a much cheaper economic cost.
... Why was my account deleted after I made this post earlier?
Do we have to colorize what we say? Please check your history to see why those organizations were formed. They had to start with something, because as it was, they never would have had a chance at the opportunities because they were not always treated equal and justly.
I may buy a 50-by-50 foot parcel, when I hit the Powerball, and construct an 85-foot high Cross visible from the future I-69 like the one on Highway 78 overlooking the Obion River.
Men have been killing their brothers since Cain killed Abel , and will continue to do so as long as we humans exist.......... que sera, sera,,,,,,,,, tis the nature of the beast,,,,,,,,,,
Hey UK
You have finally gotten the point:
"I have also learned that "slavery" had nothing to do the Civil War. To prove that point, I would bet the farm that we would have "risen up" against the tyranny and oppression of the North, even if there were no slaves in the South."
I am 43 yrs old. I just got into Civil War reenacting this year, something I have wanted to do for years. I have always been a history buff, especially Civil War history. The Confederate flag has always been special to me, as well as the American flag. I have ALWAYS flown the American flag at my home. I have flown the Confederate flag off and on, have one flying now. I have only been called a racist 1 time in my life and that was almost 25 yrs ago. I had 2 rebel flag bandannas in the back window of my truck. A person that i had grown up with called me that for having them in my truck. I just simply told him it is Heritage not Hate and the people who fly it for racism make me sick. The same people also fly the American flag too, does that one affend you as well. I dont have a problem with black people, matter afact one of my good friends is black. I try not to judge people by there color. I would say I judge people by where their from, the north (Yankees)and Mexico (wetbacks) that take our jobs. Slavery was wrong plain and simple, but it did not keep US Grant from having slaves til the time he became President (after the Civil War). Lincoln freed the the slaves in the south not the ones in the north. He wanted to send them all back to Africa. I hate the fact that school kids are taught, if they are taught anything at all about the Civil War, that it was all about slavery. That is flat out wrong. My wife explained it best. It was back before Christmas when I start thinking about getting to reenacting, my wife and were talking about it. My step-son asked me what side I was going to be on. I replied " The only side, the south." He said " They were for Slavery." My wife went off on him before i could say anything to him. she told him, "The Civil War was not about slavery but states rights. The same thing the 13 colonies fought England for during the American Revolutionary War." I had never heard it explained that way before, which its TRUE! My personal view is that most black people really dont care about the whole flag thing issue. The reason I say that is 4 or 5 years ago, my 3 kids, wife(at the time) and I were going to Libertyland in Memphis and I got lost. I walked into a laundry mate for directions. I was wearing a Dixie Outfitters T-shirt and a Nathan Bedford Forrest cap. The only people in the place were black. They said nothing about what I was wearing and gave me directions. But when I came back outside to leave, my wife(now the ex) locked me out of the truck. She said she was scared because of what i was wearing. (As I said now the ex-wife). I read something a few days ago very interesting. This guy said he did not fly the Confederate flag because he was afraid of affending someone, but he flow the Bonnie Blue flag and Confederate National flags. His neighbors who are black didn't know they were part of the Confederacy.I am very much for flying the flag at Trimble. Keep the flag flying, its history.
I'm really sorry.......... us poor, dumb, male Protestant Caucasians are responsible for everything gone wrong in the history of human civilization......
I am so ashamed that I wasted my parent's money by going to that crappy southern university. If I had just listened to my neighbor up on the mountain I could have saved so much money. He tried to tell me the same things that many of you are saying. I just refused to believe him because he wore a "hood" and burned crosses.
I have learned so much in "listening" to your responses to my opinion.
Today, from your post, I learned that the CBF is a Christian symbol.
I have also learned that "slavery" had nothing to do the Civil War. To prove that point, I would bet the farm that we would have "risen up" against the tyranny and oppression of the North, even if there were no slaves in the South.
Hey Chamber of Commerce, be sure to bring all those "Yankee" job prospectus to Dyer County right through Trimble. We need them yanks to see by-GOD that the South, our views, and feelings have not changed a bit cause the South's goanna rise again. And if those dang yanks don't like our ways, then take them dang jobs somewhere else cause we don't need Yankee money here.
Support the UCCF (United Caucasian College Fund), because the mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Madmama,
I don't recall referring to any color or race in my post. You chose to colorize your post. If you are going to reply, then you need to stick to what is presented.
I will end here, because if not, then I too will be going down the road that you took.
People lets end this conversation....They know who They are and what They are doing constructing this massive flag for all to see. Ignore them as they will increasingly become....irrelevant!!!! Wait we tried that with the NAZIS
Thanks Charley. I think we all need to lighten up somewhat and make sure when we disagree it's in a respectful manner.
Chuck Baldwin - President Constitution Party
Chuck Baldwin has just been nominated for President of the United States by the Construction Party. Chuck is known for being politically incorrect and that tradition is on his web site as the proudly proclaims heritage of the Confederate Flag. Chuck Baldwin was the Vice-Presidential nominee for the Constitution Party in 2004. He is expected to be on the ballot in about 40 states. He is the ideal candidate for those who cannot stand the liberalism and political correctness of John McCain. Learn more at http://www.constitutionparty.com
Read the article on Chuck Baldwin's web site:
"The Truth About the Confederate Flag" at http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/rebel_flag.html
The Confederate flag is a Christian flag and it represents freedom from tyranny. In the 1800's about 75% of the South were either Scotch or Scotch-Irish. The Confederate Battle Flag is based upon the national flag of Scotland. The national flag of Scotland is the cross of Saint Andrew and the cross of Saint Andrew is a symbol of the Christian faith and the heritage of the Celtic race. In fact, another name for the Confederate Battle Flag is the Southern Cross. May I tell you the Confederate Flag is indeed a Christian flag because it has the cross of Saint Andrew, who was a Christian martyr, and the letter "X" has always been used to represent Christ, and to attack the flag is to deny the sovereignty, the majesty, and the might of the Lord Jesus Christ and his divine role in our history, culture, and life. Moreover, let me tell you this. That Confederate Flag today represents the valiant and courageous Confederate soldiers who died and gave their lives for the principles for which they fought.
Psalm 20:5. "in the name of our God we will set up our banners."
Confederate Wave
http://confederatewave.org/wave/entry.php?SessID=2...
You go............... Charlie!!!!!!!!!!
True Confessions of a dirty, rotten Yankee
Born in the South by chance and circumstance, I promptly and proudly learned we lost the war to the dirty, rotten Yankees. The South actually took pride in losing. Sure, the Yankees won the war but any conquering carpet-bagger can boast and brag. It takes a real man, a true Southerner to hold his head high in calamity.
As a kid, when playing Cowboys and Indians, I was always the Indian. It's known as LDS, the Little Dog Syndrome. If a big dog wins a fight, so what? The big dog is supposed to win. But when the little dog wins, it sanctions unquestionable justification of conceit. So, for the first ten or eleven years of my crude, unsophisticated rural life, I was a feisty little Yankee hating Rebel. I never gave any thought to why I hated the dirty, rotten Yankees. It had nothing to do with race. I had little knowledge of history. It was entirely geographical. The Yankees lived up north.
Then I saw a newsreel of citizens in a foreign country throwing rocks at Americans, burning Old Glory and waving "Yankee Go Home" signs. Well, that image did a number on my Pride of the Southland philosophy. Some of those Americans being pelted with stones were surely from the South. One might have been from Tennessee. I wondered how they might have felt being called Yankees? I wondered how I would feel being called a Yankee? Then the truth hit me like a cotton sack full of watermelons. I was being called a Yankee. Those dirty, rotten foreigners were bashing all Americans, including us proud Southerners who unselfishly lost the war to save the Union.
I was almost twelve. It was time to grow up. Easier to have eaten a bale of hay, it would have been, than to admit to the world I was a Yankee. It takes a real man, a truly arrogant Southern Gentleman to find honor in such a dirty, rotten confession.
by Charley Raww,
Hamilton, I am Coy Goff's daughter and youngest child. I was born and raised on your father's land at Trimble. I am proud of my Southern blood and very interested in Genealogy. I am not proud that some of my ancestors owned slaves. But that was the past. We should go forward and not dwell on the things we cannot change. Flying the Confederate Flag cannot accomplish anything except anger by those who do not approve of it. It is a reminder of the suffering their ancestors were forced to go through for many, many years. Ham ,I hope you will think through this proposal again. I would hate for problems to come up about this flag and to see Trimble to get bad publicity about it. I live in Florida and left Trimble when I graduated from Trimble High School in 1948. But I still love my old home town and keep up with it when I can. I know about the Library and wish I could be there to go to it as it contains some Civil War Memorabilia that was my Great Grandfather's sold to Mr. Will by my Grandfather John D. Walker. How I wish it had been kept in our family!!!! I have one suggestion....just put a permanent Confederate Flag on each veteran's grave. Tommye Frances Goff Johnson
ukwildcats, your problem is that you listen to the media to get your information. the Civil War was fought-- not because of slavery. It was fought because the southern stated did not want to be controled by the northern states. The house still argue over the same issues today. Who can control who. the southern states said they had the right pass and honor the laws they wanted to and the northern states wanted the federal government to be able to call the shots. sorta like socialism or communism. the government controls everything. sound famliar? the only place the slaves came into the picture was when the centeral government needed a propaganda tool. it worked. how many people today can tell you the real reason for the war? not many. get your heads out of the revised history books and find out what really happened in the history of our country. a symbol of hate? the only kind of hate here is the hate targeted to destroy the true history and the core values of our heratige. And by the way, there STILL are slaves today. don't believe it? how many of you hire manual labors for "favors" or for justa few bucks in order for them to make it to the next day. how many of you use immigrants for pitiful wages or illegals for a few bucks a day and then have a sorry attitude about them being in this country? I could go on and on
I'm really, really enjoying this dialogue................. yawl keep it going...................
the attempts to justify this symbol of hatred only prove your ignorance... not mine
if thats your idea of education then i'm proud to be a re-re
---Gives TigerReb a standing O!!--- Bravo my friend! I love to hear from a fellow educated man. So refreshing. Spread it around because that post you left was intoxicating indeed!! Card carrying libs, race baiters, denyers and doubters please scroll down and read his post. It's a much better worded post than mine but echoes the same sentiment. All those that disagree, get an education.
I do believe that the author of this article referred to the flag as the "Confederate" flag.
Madmama
What does Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have to do with the Confederate flag? That is what is wrong with the world today. We turn our heads to things and continue to conform. Turning our heads don't solve a thing, it only makes us more ignorant to reality.
LET TRIMBLE FLY THEIR FLAG.....NOT A PROBLEM WITH IT REPRESENTING THE CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS, BUT IT IS ALSO THE FLAG THAT REPRESENT THE KLAN, SO FOLKS, ITS NOT LIKE ITS A BIG SURPRISE...IT JUST LET YOU KNOW WHERE YOU STAND.....JUST LIKE MAD MAMA TURNS FROM AL SHARPTON, I TURN FROM MARILYN MANSON, GEORGE BUSH AND ELLEN....DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS....
oldyank&reb
Well said. My compliments.
Listen to this song by T. Warren and Clint Lacy.
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St. Andrews Cross
IS STILL A FLYIN'
it stands up to tyranny
Forget it ukwildcat and that ilk
you ain't gonna win this battle
GOD BLESS HAMILTON PARKS
Much ado has been created over the CBF only since the NAACP declared war on it and all things Southern back in the 90's.
The flag was pretty much relegated to historical events, pick up trucks and semi grills. Since the NAACP attacked it there are more than ever before so it would appear that they are losing their war. Sadly, they chose something like that to engage in rather than things that might make Colored People (Yes, that is what the CO stands for) a better life like education, marriage counseling, spiritual counseling, drug rehab, chastity, resume skills, etc.
I know plenty of Blacks who have no problem with that flag. Yes, some bigoted idiots have used it but as has been stated they use the US flag far more. On a TRIAD magazine cover there was once a picture of a Klansman in his regalia with a shotgun in one hand, a bible in the other and standing in front of a US flag not a CBF or actually a Naval Jack, which is the most common one used though the South a small navy and NO slave ships. They belonged to Yanks in MASS.
Misuse of a symbol does not change the meaning of the symbol. It is a source of pride and I even had a Yank in Lewisburg, PA tell me that if he were from there he would fly it. Go figure. They had a grave of a Confederate soldier in the center of their "ring of honor". He was buried there by Union Vets who paid for his first tombstone and every year on Memorial Day they place a Confederate flag on his grave. Imagine that.
A Reb can look at the flag with pride or a Yank can its value deride. A Black man may see it as representing slavery but for the Blacks who fought under it they saw it as a emblem of bravery.
Abe Lincoln was all for shipping every Black back to Africa for he said that the Black and White man could never be equals and he didn't want any blood mixing. Shazam that sounds racist to me. Uncle Tom's cabin was really about a plantation owned by a Yank who was constantly chastised by his Southern neighbors for his cruelty.
You don't like it? Don't fly one but let those who desire to do so do it in peace and liberty. Below is a site by a past leader in the NAACP. You might want to hear another side of the story.
http://southernheritage411.com/
You want to also check out the Confederados and the Five Civilized Tribes who were nearly genocided by the victorious army. The South has the only Native American General and had Jews in the government as well as Jewish units. Hmm, Whites, Blacks, Browns, Reds and Jews; doesn't sound like a racist bunch to me. Oh yeah, the victors did not desegregate their army until 1959. Yep, they cared about the Black man.
All the war proved is that if you outnumber someone 4 to 1 you should win though it shouldn't take 4 years to do it. That is why more people study Southern tactics than Northern and have more empathy for the loser than the victor. Had it been an equal and fair fight we would not be having this discussion for the CSA would still be here today.
"A question settled by violence, or in disregard of law, must remain unsettled forever." - Jefferson Davis
Hence the cold war that still carries on. The muskets may be stacked but battle will go on until Jesus returns.
Deo Vindice - God will vindicate
I've read the ramblings of a few on the topic of the "Battle Flag" mistakenly called the "Confederate Flag" by almost everyone who doesn't know its proper name. There are four flags generally accepted as being Confederate national flags. The first flag, the Bonnie Blue was used by Confederate forces before the Confederate Congress officially adopted the First National a.k.a. Stars & Bars. There were two additional Confederate National Flags; known as the Second National a.k.a. "Stainless Banner" and Third National a.k.a. "Blood Stained Banner" The second and third national flags both incorporate the "Battle Flag" into the canton.
On the subject of the war being fought over the right to preserve the institution of slavery, if you bother to read the entire history of the conflict, you'll learn that the issue of slavery that it was a side show to the big show. First of all, realize that slavery was written into and protected by the Constitution before Lincoln invaded the south. If all the south desired to do was preserve the institution of slavery, they only needed stay in Lincoln's Union and vote against any attempt to amend the Constitution by the abolitionists. It would never have happened if the south had taken that route to address the issue. In fact, Congress was taking the issue up at the time before secession began to mushroom among the soon to be formed union of Confederate States.
For the sake of brevity, I will only point you towards a couple of subjects, one to Google and the other to look up, learn more than you were taught in U.S. government published school books written by Liberal history revisionists, not to tell lies to future generations school northern and southern children in this country, but to teach only enough of the Union version of the truth to confuse and obscure the real reasons the war was fought and to get the young writers of whom I am trying to educate to blindly repeat as the truth surrounding the reason the average southern soldier who owned no slaves would go off to war putting his life on the line for an issue he could care less about. Now, put your computer to good use and Google the "Crittenden Compromise". Once you learn what the Crittenden Compromise was all about, if you don't believe that the Crittenden Compromise as an attempt at the 13th amendment, the second attempt came on February 28, 1861. In this attempt at the 13th amendment, those in Congress spelled it out with brevity and to the point so it was clear what the amendment was about. On page 1284 of the Congressional Globe dated February 28, 1861, almost midway of the third column, the 13th amendment of 1861 is written as follows:
Art. 13 No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, with any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.
Now with your history lesson for the day out of the way and your revisionist education debunked, what was the reasoning for the southern States seceding and fighting the War for Southern Independence? First of all, there was nothing civil about the conflict so get over calling it a Civil War, to which it doesn't meet the definition anyway. At the time of Lincoln's War, there was no sense of a person being a citizen of the U.S. but only a citizen of the State in they lived. When Lincoln was elected President, he owed a debt to the northern manufacturing interests that helped him get elected and in doing so a tariff on imported manufactured goods was put in place effectively raising the price of imported manufactured goods four times what they cost the average southerner before Lincoln's election. You want a reason why the southern states told Lincoln what he could do with his Union, I would think this one alone would be enough. The other was the issue of States Rights, issues of taxation and a desire to be free from an oppressive form of government. A U.S. government that no longer represented the interest of the southern citizen and farmer was at the root of the issue.
Maybe an economics lesson from the period leading up to the "War Between the States" will give some perspective on why Lincoln would want to invade an independent and peaceful southern nation. In 1860, the principal source of wealth in this country was in the agrarian south. The fledgling manufacturing industry in the north that Lincoln felt was so important he needed to tax the south to preserve and build up was barely getting its feet off the ground. In 1860, two thirds of the GDP in the U.S. was in the southern states. So why did Lincoln invade the south? Well I can tell you that it wasn't to preserve the institution of slavery. Lincoln invaded the south because his United States simply could not afford to let the south secede from his Union. Quite simply, just like today, if he let he south go, he would have no one to tax to create the wealth he needed for his plan to create the Union of Socialist States of America he envisioned.
The average under-educated in this country often want to repeat adnauseam the revisionist history they learned in grade school. Dig a little deeper into the history of the period in this country form 1860 to 1865 with an open mind. When you do, you'll learn the truth. As you study the history of this period keep in mind two things. First, the victor in any conflict gets to write the history of that conflict. Second, the victor won't demonize themselves, but only the vanquished. What is taught in public schools and Liberal institutions of lower learning in this country today is not a bold faced lie, but it in reality is so far from the truth its ridiculous.
It is my God given right to be proud of the symbol that meant so much to my great grandfather wounded at the Battle of Shiloh and spending almost two years imprisoned by his enemy at the Union Andersonville, Camp Douglas in Chicago. He was fighting for my freedom from an oppressive government for the principals laid down in the Declaration of Independence. He was no more a traitor to the government of his State than his grandfather was. As one studies the War of Northern Aggression, they learn that the southern soldier fought for the same reasons their grandfather's did and for the same reasons.
It's funny how everyone wants to argue over a flag being flown to respect those who fought for what they believed in. There's a beautiful Confederate cemetery in Clarksville they fly a CBF there as well. Do I think some people will take it the wrong way?, yep, and that's called ignorance. Is the flag associated with white hate groups, yep. But they also use emblems used by Nazis because they don't care who sees what they're flying just as long as someone is paying attention to them. As a matter of fact hate groups will evenly fly an American flag, as long as they know they will gain attention for their cause.
And BTW there is an African American group that takes pride in the Confederate flag. No I can't remember the name of the group or the location of any of the articles on the internet anymore but they took pride in what their people went through to get to where they are today.
I grew up knowing I had a Union soldier ancestor. School taught the simplified idea that slavery was the only issue. A Sons of Confederate Veterans recruiter helped find my Confederate ancestor. Consider the following.
Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was a desperate political move to prop up the Union cause. It gave freedom only to slaves in states in rebellion. Union slaves were not emancipated.
My Union ancestor's hero Gen. John A. Logan was incensed at the Proclamation because so many of his men deserted. They were Unionists, fighting to preserve the Union.
Sherman's consistent attitude was he would fight Rebels but share his last crust of bread with a Rebel who gave up his rebellion. Sherman wanted to stop the war as quickly as possible to keep from killing Southerners.
Sherman's surrender terms to J.E.Johnston were so generous the Secretary of War sent Grant to renew the fighting. Sherman was denounced as a traitor and a copperhead in the Northern press.
Several publishers and leaders in the South urged Sherman to run for Presicent following the war.
Only a small minority of people in the North wanted abolition. Some states even prohibited settlement by freed slaves. Harsh punishment of the former rebels prevented a sensible, peaceful change. With few exceptions, the so-called Black Republicans had little concern for Blacks.
The nation today cannot blame the Confederacy that civil rights legislation had to be passed in the next hundred years, nor that it took so long. I have read the bitter claim that the South lost the war but won the peace. That is absurd. The North won the war and failed, even with military force and economic dominance, to create a lasting meaningful peace which could heal the country's wounds and create a country in which people of all races could prosper.
The Civil War has not been studied and evaluated enough. It still creates the animosity we see in this set of comments. Our leaders fail to understand the power and lasting effects of civil war on a nation. Perhaps that is why they have so often put us into foreign civil wars.
The tragedy of the United States is not only the war, but the Reconstruction and the next unfeeling century. Sherman burned Atlanta and Booth killed Lincoln. The hate has lived on longer than it should have. Make peace with your Union and Confederate brothers and sisters. It is the right thing to do.
the only was that this article relates to iraq is its the equivalent of flying their flag here in the states... of course no reasonable person would do that because this isn't iraq just as this isn't the confederacy and if i put up an iraqi flag you would say im a threat to the government of the united states... well thats exactly what the confederacy was. bite that
After knowing Hamilton for only 28 years, I have no doubt he was aware of the onslaught of criticism he was going to receive. Yet, he will proceed with his plans because he truly knows the history behind the flag as few others who have posted here.
Yes, the war was terrible. It was a war that devestated the South and its cities.
Yes, the war was deadly. When it ended a huge percentage of the United States population was either killed or wounded.
Yes, the war was over state's rights. For those who think it was over slavery and Lincoln was the great emancipator, consider that his Proclamation was for the southern states where slavery was legal. Not the northern states where slavery was also legal.
Yes, hate groups have adopted the flag. But they have also adoped the Christian flag. Does that make all Christians racists?
Thanks Hamilton for being strong enough to display your convictions.
And for those who are interested, I am the gg grandson of Dr. Benjamin Cowan, Chief Surgeon for Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest. A Southern general that is respected today for his military prowness.
The hordes of Yankees invaded Dyer County,,,,,,,,, right here in River City,,,,, raped our women, burned our barns, stole our livestock,,,,,,, killed our men.......... that was nearly 150 years ago...... nowadays hordes of Yankees are invading Dyer County and driving up real estate prices at the Farms and Lakewood...... but I'll give it to them....... they're paying their way this time..........
My, there is so much that we do not know from the lack of knowledge and education. Some would say the the Confederate flag represents southern pride and joy. That's what they were taught to say. According to where you were educated, the north or the south, you were taught what your history books said, which did not always tell us the truth, only what they wanted us to believe and know. So, it's accordiing to who wrote the history books.
I went to college at a southern campus. A friend of mine moved into her dorm room. She was all excited and happy about being on her own and away from home. Her roommate was already there when she got there. Displayed across the wall on her roommate's side was the Confederate flag. She introuduced herself to her roommate. When my friend came into the room, her roommate was schocked to see her face. They spent one night together as roommates. My friend wasn't feeling good about the flag on the wall, but had made up her mind to give things a chance. Her roommate moved out the next day without a word to her. Hmmm, I wonder why??
We can all tell ourselves that certain things don't represent certain things, but we know deep down that no matter how much you tell yourself that, the flag will still represent what it always have and that's hatred. I don't see any pride or joy in hatred. You don't get over history, you learn it, learn from it and try to make it better.
Aalflyatt you have some real issues. Nowhere have I belittled anyone, but you have.
Nor should you make assumptions. For example, I must be from Kentucky because of my screen name. I come from East Tennessee. My family, many years before the civil war, migrated from Scottland to Northeast Georgia.
You see, my great great old grandpapies were slave owners. That is why he was an officer because he was one of those rich white politicians. That is the "shame" our family has carried for generations. We pass it down so to never forget our sins and to learn from it.
You also seem to assume that I don't support the war in Iraq. Well, you are wrong again. And I too have family serving there. In fact, one is stationed in the triangle of death and was on the detail where the Union City guardsmen's was killed.
I support our troops, the UNITED STATES that is.
Leave the flag in the history books.
It's interesting how some things offend us. Every time I cross the river coming back from Missouri and find myself on the Al Gore Highway, I get so hot under the collar I fear I'm contributing to global warming.
Looks like the Blacks got hit from both sides. What did Jefferson Davis have to say about slavery? Someone wrote that the Whites were also in slavery - slaves to fear. It said that they were in constant fear of a Black uprising. I wonder if that was true? It sounds logical.
Posted by UKWILDCATS - "The Civil War and all its symbols should be reserved for the history books. That was a dark time in our history. On the back of my car is what I am proud of and what my family fought and died for -- THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. God Bless Her."
Indeed it was a dark time....
Consider the well-known facts set forth by Brian Cisco, author of the new book /War Crimes Against Southern Civilians/: "Women and children, black and white, were robbed, brutalized, and left homeless in Sherman's infamous raid through Georgia. Torture and rape were not uncommon. In South Carolina, homes, farms, churches, and whole towns disappeared in flames. Civilians received no mercy at the hands of the Union invaders. Earrings were ripped from bleeding ears, graves were robbed, and towns were pillaged. Wherever Federal troops encountered Southern Blacks, whether free or slave, they were robbed, brutalized, belittled, kidnapped, threatened, tortured, and sometimes raped or killed by their blue-clad "liberators.' "
"We feel that our cause is just and holy; we protest solemnly in the face of mankind that we desire peace at any sacrifice save that of honour and independence; we ask no conquest, no aggrandizement, no concession of any kind from the States with which we were lately confederated; all we ask is to be let alone; that those who never held power over us shall not attempt our subjugation by arms,"
Jefferson F. Davis, President, CSA, 29 April, 1861
To me the CBF is just a relic of history with no significant meaning currently but I know it offends some people. For that reason I would not display it. I wish it wasn't offensive to anyone. The history buffs I know aren't racists. To them the flag is just part of history. We could fly the regular Confederate flag all day long and no one would say a thing. They wouldn't recognize it. It's ony the battle flag that sets off the alarms. We'll probably always differ on the issue just as we did during the war. Most Southerners joined the Confederacy but some joined the Union. Some of my family who had settled in Henderson County were Lincoln Republicans. Can you believe that? On this I think we all can agree - that Amazing Grace is a powerful, God inspired song.
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This will be my last "rant", I promise.
That little war caused the deaths about 600,000 plus AMERICAN soldiers; a war that is described as the deadliest in the history of our nation. Many of those were 14, 15, and 16 year olds. They gave their life for the right of the plantation owners to have free labor. We fought the enemy and the enemy was us.
And we are proud of that heritage?
Born and raised "southern" and I am proud of it. But I am ashamed of the Civil War and all it represented.
Go ahead Mr Parks and put that flag up. A lot of American boys died for that right.
Every time I pass by it I will say of prayer for all those boys who died in the Civil War for no cause other than to help the rich white politicians keep their free labor.
Then I will also say a prayer for all those people around the world who are victim of hate and those symbols that represent it.
And a prayer for those who can be so proud of a battle flag that was so wrong.
Finally, a prayer for Mr Parks -- that he should lower that confederate flag with respect to for all those who died in that war. Then raise in its place the flag that EVERYONE has fought and died for -- The American Flag.
And no, I am not a bleeding liberal. I am a card carrying Republican who watches Fox News every night as well as my fav, the Bill "O".
As much as I HATE to say this..I agree with Jeremy about the remarks being spoken on here by some. Why can we not just state our opinion without attacking others for theirs? If we all were nicer about it and really gave our comments some thought others may just change their way of thinking about some of these things. Oh, and I don't think that flag is a good idea either just because of the ignorance surrounding it but then again maybe just maybe it will create enough conversation that it's true meaning begins to be recognized.
hey, if you don't agree with my opinions then state your own. theres no need to criticize my punctuation or insult me. this isn't a classroom although i am reminded of being back in elementary school by all the name calling
Someone mentioned history and that the civil war not being about slavery. Not real sure where you "learned history" but it was very much about slavery.
(exert from the "Origins of the Civil War") - Southern fears of losing control of the federal government to antislavery forces, and Northern fears that the slave power already controlled the government, brought the crisis to a head in the late 1850s. Sectional disagreements over the morality of slavery, the scope of democracy and the economic merits of free labor vs. slave plantations caused the Whig and "Know-Nothing" parties to collapse, and new ones to arise (the Free Soil Party in 1848, the Republicans in 1854, the Constitutional Union in 1860). In 1860, the last remaining national political party, the Democratic Party, split along sectional lines.
It was a republican president/government who stopped slavery.
You know, times really have not changed very much.
I ended my last post with "Amazing Grace -- I was blind but now I see". Not sure if many who posted on this board even know the history of that song.
How could anyone be proud of the Civil War? Why does it take so long for us to see how inhumane we were? We fought that war for what? The right of states to govern themselves? Some of you have convinced yourselves that the CBF represents "life in the South". Hogwash -- it was the battle flag of the confederate army. Those who succeeded from the United States so to fight for the right of "free labor" for rich white rednecks for their plantations and sugar canes.
Human slavery, at any time in our society should make you vomit. Then it took another 100 years for civil rights. Why did it take so long?
No, I am not black. I am as white as you can get. As a southern person, I am not proud of the CBF nor do I need that symbol of hate. If it is not a symbol of hate, then why do white hate groups fly it?
And do not attack me about my patriotism. My great grandfather was an officer in the confederate army and fought in several battles around Chattanooga. My father is a Pearl Harbor survivor and my brother served in Vietnam and lost his life as a result. I also served my country PROUDLY.
The Civil War and all its symbols should be reserved for the history books. That was a dark time in our history.
On the back of my car is what I am proud of and what my family fought and died for -- THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. God Bless Her.
well its like this here its a war flag hang it high with pride if it offends someone they shouldnt look at it.its good to remember the slaves but,come on forget the hate!there are not any slaves in 2008 .
Thank you Mr. Parks. This is much needed. Every day that I have to ride by the court house I wonder how much longer it will be before some CNN educated idiot claims the Confederate soldier on the northeast corner is also racist. I say fly the flag high and with pride! And to all that think the flag represents racism and slavery, continue to spoon with Jesse and Al. Don't forget to turn off the bedside lamp, morons. The Civil War wasn't fought over slavery and the Confederate Battle Flag / Navy Jack doesn't represent racism. Try a history book out sometime and research things on your own. Keep eating that spoon fed liberal media garbage enough and you'll believe it. I'm from the south and am proud of it. If the south offends you, I hear there's alot of Yankee real estate for sale north of the Mason Dixon where they're selling out to come south to God's country. They'd love to have you and I'd love to see you go.
Jeramy,you are retarded!Since when do you spell God with a lower case G? You need to get you G.E.D. and learn how to spell;come
to think of it,your punctuation could use some work,too. You are a re-re!
like it or not its a symbol of hate and a strong one at that. this is a flag flown by people who fought and died because they believed in slavery. their cause was wrong, they lost, god said no, get over it... theres heritage in the nazi flag but nobody with any sense is still using it
Wonder what all those tourist will think about Dyer County as they pass by that big giant flag? Honey, is that dueling bangos I hear playing on the radio? We better not stop for gas or food because you might lose your manhood by the local good ole boys!
My great grand father fought in the Civil War and was an officer. If he were alive today I am sure that he would say that the history book is the place for the CBF. My family has a great tradition of military service to this country. We are Americans first.
Sadly, the confederate battle flag is not known for nor represents the values of the south. It has become a symbol of hatred and separation. We are to blame for that because we stood by and did nothing to stop the skin heads and all those ignorant red necks from running around in hoods promoting racism. All while carrying the CBF.
A memorial to the confederate soldiers is great. But don't fly the CBF because it is nothing more than a rally cry and a symbol for all those ignorant people who believe in racism and separation.
Amazing Grace -- I was blind, but now I see.
-QUOTE from ADL which I agree!!!
"Although the flag is seen by some Southerners simply as a symbol of Southern pride, it is often used by racists to represent white domination of African-Americans. The flag remains a subject of controversy because some Southern states still fly the flag from public buildings or incorporate it into their state flag's design. The flag is also used by racists as an alternative to the American flag, which they consider to be an emblem of what they describe as the Jewish-controlled government."
"I think that is a good idea and money well spent, our confederate soliders gave there lives for things alot of us take for granted today."
Yes, buckmaster, they lost the war to save the Union. ;-)
People need to see the Confederate Battle Flag presented in a positive manner. The most true association is with the Confederate soldiers who fought to defend it, not with the hate groups who have used it in a negative manner. The CBF is a soldier's flag, representing the fighting men of the South. This is tremendous.
I think that is a good idea and money well spent, our confederate soliders gave there lives for things alot of us take for granted today.