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Sons of Confederate Veterans seek permit for flagpole, memorial

Wednesday, October 22, 2008

The Dyer County Board of Zoning Appeals plans to consider issuing a permit Tuesday, Oct. 28, authorizing a Confederate monument.

The called meeting is scheduled to begin at 3:30 p.m. in the conference room of the Dyer County Building and Zoning Office, 1910 Pioneer Road.

The County Commission voted Oct. 13 to allow historic sites and monuments in forestry, agricultural and residential (FAR) zones as a permitted use on appeal.

Two days later, the Sons of Confederate Veterans filed the first request for a permit. The SCV has already started work on the Parks Cemetery Ridge Memorial Plaza. An 80-foot-tall flagpole and a 20-by-30-foot Confederate battle flag were erected last summer.

The application states that the memorial plaza will include development of a circular memorial plaza consisting of the 80-foot flagpole, a granite marker and a sitting area with appropriate landscaping and lighting.


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It seems that some former residents of Dyersburg have a very limited view of the nation's past. During World War II all U. S. armed forces were segregated by race. Does that mean that a World War II memorial is "preserving our segregation-loving heritage, even in death"? Or, perhaps, the past is like the present--a mixture of good things and bad things. We should not forget the good just because some bad is present.

-- Posted by PastorMike on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 8:29 AM

The flag that we know as the Confederate Battle Flag was used by many (but by no means all) Confederate military units during the War for Southern Independence (1861-1865). It was their flag, and they alone had the right to interpret its meaning. When the War was over, the Confederate soldiers became Confederate veterans. They formed an organization known as the United Confederate Veterans. The Confederate Battle Flag was still their Flag, and they alone had the right to interpret its meaning. In 1896, since many of the Confederate veterans were aged, infirm, and dying off, the Sons of Confederate Veterans was formed as the successor organization to the United Confederate Veterans. The legacy and authority of the United Confederate Veterans was transferred to them over the next ten years. This transfer of power culminated in a speech given 25 April 1906 at New Orleans, Louisiana by Stephen Dill Lee, Confederate lieutenant-general, and commander-in-chief of the United Confederate Veterans: To you, Sons of Confederate Veterans, we will commit the vindication of the cause for which we fought. To your strength will be given the defense of the Confederate soldier's good name, the guardianship of his history, the emulation of his virtues, the perpetuation of those principles which he loved and which you love also, and those ideals which made him glorious and which you also cherish. Are you also ready to die for your country? Is your life worthy to be remembered along with theirs? Do you choose for yourself this greatness of soul? Not in the clamor of the crowded street, Not in the shouts and plaudits of the throng, But in ourselves are triumph and defeat. Since 25 April 1906, therefore, the Confederate Battle Flag has been the flag of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. They alone have the right to interpret its meaning. They have interpreted its meaning, and explained (repeatedly!) that meaning -- and it is not hatred, nor is it bigotry. Inasmuch as the Sons of Confederate Veterans have explained the meaning of the Confederate Battle Flag, there is no room for any debate on the subject. The Confederate Battle Flag is not the flag of the Kluxers and other malcontents of their ilk. They do not have the right to make any use whatsoever of it. The Confederate Battle Flag is not the flag of the NAACP. They do not have the right to interpret its meaning.

-- Posted by SOUTHERN GENTLEMAN on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 9:25 AM

ExPat, the Confederate soldiers were fighting to defend their homeland. The vast majority of our soldiers were not slave owners. It is true that slavery was one of the causes of the rift between north and South but it was one of many. The bottom line is that people in the South felt we had become a separate people: we thought different, talked different, and had different priorities. The north was as foreign to our ancestors as Canada, Great Britan, or Australia even though we were all predomitably settled by the same anglo-saxon ethnic group. We were so different in fact that not a single popular vote went to Lincoln from Tennessee in the 1860 election. When the yankees invaded, our people fought with everything they had. The yankee invaders responded with a widespread campaign of rape, murder, and torture. You would have us turn our back on our gallant ancestors and its your right to do so, but don't expect us to be as sorry and as morally bankrupt as you are. I have read your posts where you made fun of a charity event and elderly men getting lost hunting. It is tough to read anything you write and lend it any credibility. The Native Americans, Romans, Arabs, all South American countries, Greeks, Africans and Vikings all had slaves at one time. Slavery also existed under the American flag as well. Nobody is asking them to be ashamed of who they are. It is more intellectually dishonest to stringently judge older civilizations by todays politically correct standards. As far as hate groups using it, well they use the U.S. flag as well. Their use of both flags bothers pretty much everybody. But this is America you can't stop them. You are also being intolerant and racist when you label Southerners for being proud of their ancestors. You have no right to judge us or tell us how we should feel about our own symbols.

-- Posted by Dixiecrat on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 5:59 PM

Let us remember that ExPatDyersburgian is only repeating what is taught in most educational institutions. The majority of the country shares these views since they are basing their opinions on what they were taught instead of historical fact. History is written by the victors. They can put whatever slant they wish to their goals in order to vindicate their actions. Imagine, if you will, what history might have said regarding the FIRST rebel army on North American soil if the British had won the revolutionary war. Imagine what would be said about our honored and revered military if we had not prevailed against Germany in WW II.

ExPat, the vast majority of Confederate soldiers DID NOT own slaves. This is pretty easily verified by doing a little (very little) research. Take a look at census records. If slavery was the driving issue that divided the country in the 1860s, then the war would have ended when Lincoln offered a 13th Amendment to the Constitution that would forever protect the institution of slavery if the south agreed not to secede. Remember that not one single slave was brought to this continent on a ship flying Confederate colors..but some were brought here aboard ships flying American colors. Also remember that persons of color served in the Confederate forces, not only as servants but in fighting units, some distinguishing themselves in battle.

ExPat, you also stated that there is significant controversy regarding the Confederate Battle Flag because the Klan uses that flag. You are, in part, correct. The remainder of the controversy stems from the false presentation of history perpetuated by our institutions of higher learning. The only way the we, as members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans can change the public perception of that flag is to fly it as much as possible away from the spectre of racism and bigotry; and to present the TRUE history of the War Between the States.

I fully understand your perception of the CBF but ask that you open your mind to the truth and do a little research. I assure you that, if you are passionate about this issue, you might just be surprised at what you learn.

DEO VINDICE

-- Posted by PatrolCmdr on Fri, Oct 24, 2008, at 6:49 AM

You fellas are wasting your time trying to enlighten expat. No matter how much the flag means to you and how honorable your intentions, people like that will always be critical. In their attempt to achieve tolerance they have become completely intolerant. They see no injustice in prejudging you or stepping on your heritage because it is "politically correct" to do so. Some are doubly critical of the flag because it is based on St.Andrews cross. Part of the reason it was chosen to represent the Southern soldier was their deep reverance for our Lord. I know the SCV tries hard to educate people, but personally I don't feel I have anything to prove. I love the flag and I'm very proud to be a Southerner. If expat and Jim Stark have a problem with that, I could honestly care less.

-- Posted by trimbledemon on Fri, Oct 24, 2008, at 5:38 PM

The Confederate Battle Flag is the National Flag of the Southern People

http://www.freealabama.com/archive/sampl...

Excellent article for those who honor, love and respect their SOUTHERN HERITAGE & FLAG.

It has been said that IGNORANCE is curable, but STUPID is forever. Let's all pray that IGNORANCE regarding our SOUTHERN HERITAGE & FLAG will be cured.

-- Posted by SOUTHERN GENTLEMAN on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, at 8:58 AM

Sons of Confederate Veterans

Resolution

WHEREAS, the use of the Confederate Battle Flag by extremist political groups and individuals who seek to clothe themselves in respectability by misappropriating the banner under which our southern ancestors fought for a Cause which was as noble as much latter day is ignoble; and

WHEREAS, the Sons of Confederate Veterans are the true inheritors of legacy and symbols for which the Confederate Veterans fought and died; and

WHEREAS, the Sons of Confederate Veterans does denounce the use of the Confederate Battle Flag and any other Confederate symbol by any hate group and/or the Ku Klux Klan as the desecration of a symbol to which any hate group and/or the Ku Klux Klan has no claim; and

WHEREAS, the misuse of the Confederate Battle Flag by any extremist group or individual espousing political extremism and/or racial superiority degrades the Confederate Battle Flag and maligns the noble purpose of our ancestors who fought against extreme odds for what they knew was just, right, and constitutional; and

WHEREAS, the misuse of other flags and symbols of the Confederate States of America and the Confederate States Army, Navy, and Marines is similarly degrading,

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Sons of Confederate Veterans in General Convention assembled in New Orleans, Louisiana, does hereby condemn in the strongest terms possible the use of the Confederate Battle Flag or any other flag, symbol, seal, title or name bearing any relationship whatsoever to the Confederate States of America or the armed forces of that Government by any such extremist group or individual, of whatever name or designation by which know, and

LET IT BE FUTHER RESOVLED, that the Sons of Confederate Veterans in General Convention assembled, does hereby condemn in the strongest terms possible the inappropriate use of the Confederate Battle Flag or any other flag, seal, title or name bearing any relationship whatsoever to the Confederate States of America or the armed forces of that Government of the Confederate States of America by individuals or groups of individuals, organised or unorganised, who espouse political extremism or racial superiority and that this resolution shall be made known to all media outlets now and throughout the year of 2007 and it shall be made patent and entered into the permanent records and archives of the International Headquarters of the Sons of Confederate Veterans at Elm Springs in Columbia, Tennessee.

Submitted by

Charles Kelly Barrow

Historian-in-Chief, SCV

-- Posted by SOUTHERN GENTLEMAN on Tue, Oct 28, 2008, at 11:43 AM


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